
Jeff Kipnis: This is pretty much like an early Sex Pistols concert – 40 people show up, they play a song, nobody says anything. That’s about right, don’t you think?
Jason Payne: Three people dance.

Jeff Kipnis: This is pretty much like an early Sex Pistols concert – 40 people show up, they play a song, nobody says anything. That’s about right, don’t you think?
Jason Payne: Three people dance.

Dan Wheeler, founding principal of Wheeler Kearns Architects and professor at the UIC SoA, talks to FM about his first job after graduation, starting a practice and teaching.